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Post  Loyal Subject on Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:20 pm

Okay, so here is the article I mentioned earlier:

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/03/20/legend-ofkorra-airbender-art-characters/#/0

Granted, I think the main reason there even is a comparison is because Hunger Games is extremely popular and they're using the popularity of that franchise to hype up Korra. But I still think this is an unfair comparison and it's pretty misleading.

I don't think Katniss and Korra have much in common other than the fact they are active female protagonists. I guess you could say they are both 'strong' and 'independent' as well but I think there are plenty of other female characters that are strong and independent. It's just these two happen to be the leads.

But other than that, the two are very different with very different personalities. Katniss is the archetype where she has to be more of a man than a woman in order to demonstrate independence. I'm not saying that's a bad thing but I think Korra is a tad bit superior in the fact that it doesn't take this route. It's almost like saying in order to be a strong female protagonist, you really have to be a dude in a woman's body. I don't get this impression from Korra and I think a lot of the reason why I don't get this impression is her voice. Her voice and her eyes actually. The way she's animated comes across as her being a girl but also kicking ass. And also screwing up.

Korra has had a much better life than Katniss, she's never had to fight to survive so she isn't a hardass like Katniss is.

If there should be any comparison between the Hunger Games and Korra, it should be Katniss and Mako. They're personalities are so similar: they're so focused on winning that they come off as cold. They've had to struggle to survive and have had to protect their younger sibling (this info is provided on the Nick website in regards to Mako) to the point where they've probably had to be the parent to the younger sibling. Which means that when the younger sibling is in danger, they will do whatever it takes to save them. Which is what I'm expecting when Bolin gets captured (featured in the trailers).

Actually, if Korra is to be compared to any character in the Hunger Games, I'm thinking she's most like Finnick where they're both upbeat despite the challenges they've had to face. Granted, they're not perfectly alike as Finnick's a complete flirt and has a lot more issues than Korra does but that's honestly the closest character I can think of in terms of parallels.
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Re: Korra vs. Katniss

Post  Lee on Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:27 pm

I don't know anything about the Hunger Games, but I never got the impression of a hardass from Katniss. Maybe it's because she's played by a real girl, who looks way to soft to be the surviving person in a hellhole.

It happens with every movie, the girl never gets dirty, bloody, or harmed, unless it's intended in a sexy way. So that's way I can't see it, from what I've seen in the trailers.

If I read the book, that might be a different story. But since you're bringing Korra in which is total visuals, it only makes sense to bring in the movie to and the visuals it possesses.
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Post  Loyal Subject on Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:31 pm

Oh Katniss gets dirty all right. I can't remember how dirty but she gets dirty when the actual games start.

The trailers dont show a lot of the actual games, they show before the games when Katniss is purposely dolled up for the sake of television.

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Post  Lee on Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:33 pm

Does she get dirty where it's like filth and grim or more like still giving her some appeal?
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Post  Loyal Subject on Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:44 pm

i dont remember and its hard for me to tell because i always thought the actress that plays katniss is kind of pretty...

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Post  Lee on Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:48 pm

It's just something I never paid attention to. I realized wait a minute, all the guys are bloody and getting their asses kicked around, but look at the ladies. They never have a spec of dust on them, unless it is to boost their sex appeal in some way.

Of course that is to get the perverts to come to the show to, but it's something I noticed recently after someone mentioned it.
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Post  Loyal Subject on Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:02 pm

for me, its one of those things where i know it exists but ive never bothered to pay attention to it.
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Post  Lee on Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:05 pm

I kind of really noticed it in some really bad movie I was sort of watching. Actually I wasn't watching it, I was just flipping through channels and couldn't find anything good, but I caught enough to see the resemblance.

It was really bad, such a bad movie. There was some villain women, who was dirty and bloody, but it was just enough on her clothes, but her face remained pretty much clean. The only specs of blood or dirt were for sex appeal, while the protagonists were bloody and muddy to, but they just looked filthy.

I didn't really tune in to the movie, but I noticed the reoccurring theme. And that is why I can't really get the down to earth hard ass image for Katniss into my mind.

The trailers that I've seen of her show her all dolled up like you said. There were a lot of magazines around about it to, with her on the front cover, always plenty of make up on to.
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Post  Loyal Subject on Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:08 pm

Yeah but that sort of is because of the context of the movie where it's really a satire of reality tv. which is why she's always dolled up looking.
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Post  Lee on Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:38 pm

No, any action movie I can think of has it that way. And I was just mentioning this because you were using two different mediums, writing, and animation.

So of course Korra and Katniss would appear totally different. People interpret things they read totally differently. Not just the world or landscapes, but how the people act, react, talk, and so on. Everything is up for imagination, you just have to read the words.

With the animation you're basically just sitting their and watching it, nothing further is needed. You could be mindless and still see what everyone else is seeing. The way they act, the way they talk, the world and how it is formed, it's all set in stone with animation/film because its visual and little is left for interpretation, unless the creators mold it in that way to leave things ambiguous.
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Post  Loyal Subject on Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:49 pm

^ I know any action movie has female characters dolled up. I'm saying the Hunger Games trailer has it because its a satire of reality tv. So, there's different reasoning behind the choice. Again, I cant speak for the actual games because I honestly dont remember.

And, even though Hunger Games is a book, it's also a movie now. So it is visual. And Katniss is still a hardass in the movie. That much doesn't change.

Plus characterization is completely up for interpretation. Just because its visual doesn't mean their actions are set in stone. Yes, landscapes and how things look are set in stone but not the reasoning behind why it looks the way it does or why a character is acting a certain way. So there's leeway both in visual work and written.
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Post  Lee on Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:07 pm

They have different levels though. With written material, someone can interpret what someone does in completely different ways, but with visuals you can see the emotions and so forth. It's just easier for a lot of different people to comprehend.
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Post  Loyal Subject on Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:25 pm

^ But even what you're saying isn't necessarily true.

first of all, what if the novel is written in first person? you can't interpret an action any differently because the character is telling you why they acted the way they did. you may be able to interpret other character's actions differently but you're going to get end up getting the narrator's interpretation which could easily sway you're own.

then, if you turn that book into a movie, you COULD get a different interpretation of the actions because the movie won't be told in first person. so actually, a lot of people could have completely different interpretations.

even if the book is third person and the movie is made, that could still warrant different interpretations both ways.

take the Great Gatsby for instance. there's some people who believe that novel is about two people who love each other. others think its about a man who's really in love with himself. if you were to make that into a good movie, and follow the plots of the book, you could still get different interpretations of the character's actions.

if you're a good writer, you can get people to get a pretty good idea as to how the characters are acting/reacting to different things based on what words you choose.

yes, film and written work is different but that doesn't mean one is easier to get a collective audience to think the same way than the other. the only way in which film has the advantage is how it looks visual. even character's reactions to certain dialogue can create a bunch of different meanings for different people. this is how Zutara was born.

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Post  Lee on Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:42 pm

Oh right, I forgot about the first person writing style you told me it possessed. Yeah that would change it on account that you can actually go into her mind and read what she is thinking.
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Post  Loyal Subject on Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:56 pm

kind of off topic but they do get into her head really well in the movie via the sound design. i was pretty impressed by that.

but anyway...yeah i dont think korra is like katniss really....

im thinking if Korra is going to be like any female lead coming around, it might be Merida from Brave. Just based on the trailers, Merida doesn't seem as much of a hardass as Katniss is despite them both using the bow and arrow as their signature weapon. she seems more upbeat and brash like Korra.

of course, Korra is in much better shape than Merida ;)

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Post  Lee on Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:04 pm

How did they manage that, without using inner thought dialogue or something? I guess I'd have to see it myself to understand, but it didn't come off as bad or corny?

I read the article LS, ok not all of it, but I read most of the comments. A lot of people disagreed. So yeah I just wanted to point that out, because you were acting/wording your posts like you were going against a huge group who believed that.
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Post  Loyal Subject on Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:08 pm

I can't really explain it. You just have to watch the movie.

I never said that was what most people believed. I knew most people disagree...I was just disagreeing with the article.
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